Is it wrong for women to wear pants?
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Eleventh Doctor
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And we're asking, what standard do you use to determine modesty? Is it the culture at the time of the Old Testament or is it another culture? There are no specifics in Scripture as far as tightness of clothing or length of pants/dresses so how do you decide the specifics? Please answer this question directly.
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
That by precept and example we uphold modesty of dress as becometh holiness, purity, and deep spirituality.
Length
---Shirts or blouses have sleeves past the elbow.
---No low necklines.
---Men are covered down to the ankles.
---Women are covered to below the knee both standing and sitting.
Looseness
---Not suggestive
---not tight fitting
Thickness
---That there be enough weight that the skin or undergarments can not be seen.
Color
---That the color not draw undue attention to the wearer.
Shoes
---No wearing of the open toes or open heals.
Type
---No T-shirts or tank tops
---No Shorts
---No slit skirts
---Young girls may wear split skirts
Length
---Shirts or blouses have sleeves past the elbow.
---No low necklines.
---Men are covered down to the ankles.
---Women are covered to below the knee both standing and sitting.
Looseness
---Not suggestive
---not tight fitting
Thickness
---That there be enough weight that the skin or undergarments can not be seen.
Color
---That the color not draw undue attention to the wearer.
Shoes
---No wearing of the open toes or open heals.
Type
---No T-shirts or tank tops
---No Shorts
---No slit skirts
---Young girls may wear split skirts
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Eleventh Doctor
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None of this is in Scripture, this is a tradition your denomination has. Two hundred years ago people in the West would have been scandalized by a knee length dress on a woman, why is it okay now?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
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ArnoldtheRubberDucky
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Since when did ankles, knees, and toes become so tempting to people? It sounds like what this boils down to is a complete difference in denomination, which is absolutely fine. I'm glad we FINALLY understand each other now. Still, as Eleventh Doctor said, this is just your denomination's opinion, so you can't act like the Bible decrees the exact same thing, when it really doesn't. It's fine that you hold those beliefs, but you would have to accept our opinions on the matter, just as I accept yours.
Sir Arnold, Knight of the Order of Augustine, Debate Vampire
Mr. Yorp wrote:You don't need a degree to shovel manure.
It is a Carefulness.Mr. Yorp wrote: "You would never see the ankles of any self respecting women in 1885!"
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Eleventh Doctor
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That in no way answers mine or Arnold's posts, please try again.
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"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
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ArnoldtheRubberDucky
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And why are you quoting and responding to an earlier post by yourself, anyway? 
Sir Arnold, Knight of the Order of Augustine, Debate Vampire
Mr. Yorp wrote:You don't need a degree to shovel manure.
Exactly what age are we in? I am getting a bit confused.
Now if I can't wear a T-shirt, I am revolting.
Now if I can't wear a T-shirt, I am revolting.
Debate Vampire
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
It appears that we are in the days of Noah.
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wattWattWATT. This entire conversation turn has thrown me for such a loop....
BLITZ. Can I join the T-shirt Revelution? One for Tees and Tees for all!
Mr. Yorp, by chance do you go to a Pentecostal Holiness Church?
BLITZ. Can I join the T-shirt Revelution? One for Tees and Tees for all!
Mr. Yorp, by chance do you go to a Pentecostal Holiness Church?
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Eleventh Doctor
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You have yet to address this question: Two hundred years ago people in the West would have been scandalized by a knee length dress on a woman, why is it okay now?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
Yeah, You can join. We should all protest. And Mr. Yorp, could you make a bit longer posts and address all that has been asked of you?
And PS. Mr Yorp, I swim without a shirt. What is your opinion on what we should wear when swimming?
And PS. Mr Yorp, I swim without a shirt. What is your opinion on what we should wear when swimming?
Debate Vampire
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
I'm not sure that it is. It may not be okay. I prefer longer skirts on women though.Eleventh Doctor wrote:You have yet to address this question: Two hundred years ago people in the West would have been scandalized by a knee length dress on a woman, why is it okay now?
I'd rather you not, but as long as you are only swimming with others of the same sex and that the opposite sex is not watching, I'm more comfortable with that.Blitz wrote:I swim without a shirt. What is your opinion on what we should wear when swimming?
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Eleventh Doctor
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The list you provided from your denomination said it was okay for women to wear skirts or dresses that only fell to the knee. So why did it say that?
Well I'm sure those women would have opinions of their own on what they want to wear. Have you ever talked to a member of the opposite sex about this?
Well I'm sure those women would have opinions of their own on what they want to wear. Have you ever talked to a member of the opposite sex about this?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
It's a problem of desensitization.
(Is Blitz a female?) You see if a women does not properly cover her body it will cause men to lust.
(Is Blitz a female?) You see if a women does not properly cover her body it will cause men to lust.
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Eleventh Doctor
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So you'd rather have stricter rules than you posted? How far would you take it?
Nope, not the woman's fault. It's the man's fault for viewing her as an object to be lusted after and not as a person. If covering up prevented lust then women in Muslim countries who wear head to toe burqas wouldn't be raped but they are, so nope not true.
Nope, not the woman's fault. It's the man's fault for viewing her as an object to be lusted after and not as a person. If covering up prevented lust then women in Muslim countries who wear head to toe burqas wouldn't be raped but they are, so nope not true.
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
Actually, Most members of my denomination would not even like a split skirt. As I said, it is a carefulness.
As in, it may be okay to do it, but if it's not, then we have not sined. does that make sense?
Everybody can go naked?
As in, it may be okay to do it, but if it's not, then we have not sined. does that make sense?
Everybody can go naked?
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Good grief, it's like John Henry all over again. Answer Eleventh's question.Mr. Yorp wrote:Everybody can go naked?
it's not about 'deserve'. it's about what you believe. and i believe in love
Huh? John Henry?