Tradition

[Eleventh Doctor]

The only sources there that talks about the pagan origins of Christmas are some Puritan writings, so I will concede to you; the Puritans thought it was a pagan holiday.

Okay then, I guess you don't like Christian holidays

[Mandy]

If someone starts acting or speaking in a manner that is wrong one of the brothers addresses it and it's taken care of.

So anyone in the congregation could decide someone else isn't being led by the Spirit? That's an interesting tradition.

No!!! It's really hard to explain. Our church is like VERY untraditional.

Miss Friendship you know who cut his arm in an attempt to bleed to death to save himself from the government torchering him or something. He was weird and forget about him when analyzing our church. Shall I mention all the weirdos who have attended your church over the years?
Besides just cuz my church is different than yours doesn't mean that we think there's anything wrong with what you do. And my personal preference is more order anyway.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Every church has traditions, some just have more than others.

[Miss Friendship]

Mandy, compared to Eleventh's church, we are the same...so don't worry about it.

Doctor Eleventh, I guess I don't like "Catholic Christian Holidays"

[Mandy]

Mandy, compared to Eleventh's church, we are the same...so don't worry about it.

Doctor Eleventh, I guess I don't like "Catholic Christian Holidays"

That's fine. I was just having fun setting straight. Now our fellow Soda Shoppers will know wedon't ALWAYS believe exactly the same.

Although I said I like a little more order better , we a really are pretty predictable and ordered right now and I love the way our church has been for the last several months. Anyhow

[Mr. Yorp]

Well yes, with the exception of Valentine's Day, I don't know enough about the days history to make a judgment one way or another.

Lupercalia was the Roman festival of love on the fifteenth of February...

Source?...As for your claim that the Catholic church approved of Saturnalia, source?

Pagan Origins of Christmas Parts 1,2,3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40C9ZfkRXd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyVJR2nunc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJRTgbkr8HI


Mystery of History
Linda Hobar

[Eleventh Doctor]

Good thing the actual St. Valentine's day is February 14th in the West and July 6th in the East. Seriously, these dates are much more complex than just matching with pagan dates, many of which were made up after the fact as anti-Catholic polemics. Those videos again totally miss the point that there is no one date for Christmas, that it is in fact a month long event and that some in the East put it at January 6th. If anything the move to December 25th is a more recent, i.e. post Roman, change.

[Blitz]

*Coughs*
Witches are very engraved in Catholics. They did a great deal of that. I don't really care for this debate.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Blitz, can you clarify before you leave this debate? I've never heard this claim before.

[Blitz]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm
That is surprising.

[Eleventh Doctor]

I don't understand, what is the point of that web page?

[Mr. Yorp]

It's not the dates, it is the problem of the church conforming to the world.

[Eleventh Doctor]

So we shouldn't celebrate the birth of Jesus then? If it's not a matter of dates.

[Mr. Yorp]

No,I think not. Celebration of Birthdays are pagan.

[Wakko]

No,I think not. Celebration of Birthdays are pagan.

...
Why?

[Eleventh Doctor]

Source?

So are there any Christian holidays you think are okay?

[Mr. Yorp]

Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

Job 3:3 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his [birth]day.
2 And Job spake, and said,
3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.


None that come to mind.

[SirWhit]

Uhhh that was just Job being depressed.

[Eleventh Doctor]

I think basing your beliefs on two out of context verses isn't the best thing to do, I mean Job was in rather a bad situation there and God did rebuke him for complaining such. Also I don't see how Job's sons having a feast is bad in this context, I mean if we carry your interpretation to the extreme couldn't that verse be seen as a command against any feasts?

So you don't celebrate the Resurrection?

[Mr. Yorp]

Ecclesiastes 7:1
...and the day of death [is better] than the day of one's birth.

But what do we celebrate? The day of birth; we mourn death.