DredgeAmazing wrote:TigerShadow wrote:The problems with that statement depend on what kind of feminism we're talking about. If by that you mean third-wave "man-hating" feminism, Emily doesn't possess any traits that align her with that particular movement (and in fact contradicts them, considering her soppiness around Buck in GRC). If you're referring to the general idea of social, political, and economic equality with men endorsed by first- and second-wave feminism (and, for that matter, the Bible itself), then Emily—a girl who is intelligent and stubborn and refuses to settle for anything less than her goal—does represent "feminist" traits, and your problems with that speak more to problems with your idea of the role of women than your stance on a fictional pre-teen girl. =/
Okay... have you
ever heard her talk down to Matthew? Just raise your hand!
(This "We Are Equal and Can Do Whatever They Do" is what started the Gay Idiots Movement in the first place.
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Oh, and don't try to argue, because yoga pants, crop tops, etc. also describe pre-teen little girls (at least in my town) and I'm
prettty sure thats wrong.
Did you seriously tell me not to argue with your subjective opinion? Nice try, but your words are subject to criticism and argument like everyone else's.
I've heard her talk down to Matthew, yes. I've also heard him smart-mouth her right back. Their friendship is on an equal plane. Her "talking down" to Matthew has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with the fact that being assertive and occasionally a condescending know-it-all is who she is and
that's how friends interact sometimes.
You may think that yoga pants and crop tops are "wrong" (and although I can guess the reason, you still fail to describe
why you find them wrong), but that doesn't mean that we all have to align our standards to yours and be silenced. I agree that crop tops, at the very least, are immodest and not at all classy, and I don't know that much about what distinguishes yoga pants from sweatpants or leggings, but news flash: you don't get to come in here, state an opinion as fact, and tell the rest of us that we aren't allowed to contradict your opinion on a specific fictional female character who
doesn't even wear either of those articles of clothing. That's not how public fora work.
I also don't know how you expect to be taken seriously when you refer to a movement consisting of people who have been oppressed and abused for their sexual orientation as the "Gay Idiot Movement". I don't agree with the idea that homo/bi/transsexuality is okay, but referring to the LGBT community in pejorative and demonizing terms isn't helping your case or the representation of the church in this particular battlefield of the culture wars.
DredgeAmazing wrote:Sameriazx wrote:Hold up. What are you even debating?! Guys Emily's best friend is a guy (Matthew), and as TigerShadow mentioned before, she had feelings for Buck.
All these clubs are, is two different opinions, and no Underseasie, that isn't what I meant. I meant that if people had all liked Emily, there would be no KRE. But that isn't why we exist. Sure, hating Emily brought us together, but another reason is that we want to be able to be in the company of others who know, and understand our opinions. Maybe others feel differently, but I don't. I just wanted to make that clear.
And you can't even come up with good, solid reasons why she is a good character. All you do is use our posts against us, making our opinion look bad.
Feminists have a very unusual habit of doing that
and lets not forget she asked Buck to walk with her, not the other way around. Which is a bad sign in of itself.
Who cares if Emily asked Buck to do something with her? How is that a "bad sign"? A girl being assertive in the context of romantic desires isn't wrong or unhealthy. That may contradict an arbitrary standard of chivalry that some people have overblown into incontrovertible rule of law, but it doesn't contradict Biblical standard as far as I know—and I've read through the New Testament passages about sexuality and marriage multiple times. God's design for marriage, sexuality, and gender politics is not ruined forever just because a girl asked a boy she had a crush on to hang out with her.
it's not about 'deserve'. it's about what you believe. and i believe in love
Really? You're bringing feminism into this?
what in the world?
No, there is nothing wrong with having and expressing negative opinions, nor was I purposely trying to make you look bad. My original intent was to try to make a joke, but looking back it was badly executed, so please forgive me.
