Disney's Big Hero 6 - SPOILERS!

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Audrey wrote:How the heck is that a spoiler alert? xD

And why must everything be shipped? O.O
Answering in reverse. 1. CAUSE I'M A FANGIRL WE DON'T STOP SHIPPING TIL THE WORLD RUNS OUT OF CHARACTERS AND THEN WE MAKE OUR OWN. plus omg have you even SEEN the Tadashney fanart it is a freaking feels pit.

AND 2. BECAUSE I'VE SAID THAT TO FOUR PEOPLE AND GOT YELLED AT FIVE TIMES. one being my sister for ruining the movie for everyone. >_>
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Samantha14 wrote:
Audrey wrote:How the heck is that a spoiler alert? xD
AND 2. BECAUSE I'VE SAID THAT TO FOUR PEOPLE AND GOT YELLED AT FIVE TIMES. one being my sister for ruining the movie for everyone. >_>
My roommate hates any kind of spoilers, and had guessed this was true, but didn't know, so I had to keep my mouth shut every time she brought her theory up. :x
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I just saw it. No complaints here, it was one of the best Disney movies I've seen in a long time. Pixar will have their work cut out for them if they want to top it. :). One (very, very minor) gripe is that I felt Tadashi's death was a little sudden and rushed, thus dulling the emotional impact a bit right after it happened. Other than that, it was a funny, emotional, exciting movie.
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I agree completely with you, Ducky. I also thought every time Tadashi was brought up, things were a little melodramatic. It does not top Frozen though!
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I disagree re: melodrama. I thought the drama was very realistic and on a reasonable scale. Tadashi was Hiro's big brother and his absolute best friend; Hiro's reaction to his death felt very natural. And I also think that yes, this movie does top Frozen. The story was better, the characters and relationships were better developed, the sibling relationship was more organically conveyed, and in a meta sense, there won't be any BH6 songs so annoyingly overplayed that they're no longer appealing.
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Okay, it was realistically sad, but it wasn't sad to the audience (or at least me), which was kind of what they were trying to do: make people sad.
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I guess your mileage may vary; I was nearly in tears. Those emotional scenes wrecked me.
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I don't think it was rushed' per se; I believe that expanding on the initial reactions of the others might have been good, but not *entirely* relevant. I mean, technically, it was about hiro's reactions towards everything, not the others. Getting everyone else's grief time on-screen would have not only been tedious, but also stretch out a long, hard-impact topic for a kids movie. If it had been a 'teen' movie, or advertised directly to an older audience, I don't think it would have been *as* tedious--just drawing from the hiro-centricness they were going for. However, everyone knows Disney spins their tales towards kids, which is why heavier topics like death and mourning, especially in the times it suddenly happens, like in a fire/explosion, tend to be played out quickly. Frozen parents/initial Elsa problem? one song. Rapunzel's kidnapping or flynn's death? one scene. tadashi's death/funeral? one scene. not that those scenes don't say a lot in short time, it's just fast to us with longer, more yearning attention spans. Also, it wasn't melodramatic. It was hurt. pain. real stuff real people really go through. And I, being someone who has experienced such multiple times, thought they did wonderfully. It was actually quite realistic. On a final note, I do hope they do something in which to expand on the characters more, for older fans' sakes. Otherwise (and even along with) I will be doing so myself via fanfiction. *nods*

WAIT. (just saw these posts) HOW DID YOU NOT CURL UP AND DIE IN A PUDDLE OF BAWLING FEELS. I couldn't *stop* crying. I guess you just have to experience it yourself to truly understand..
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Why, Novatom, you heartless little cynic! ;) Perhaps the sad scenes weren't effective to you, and I will admit, that I, being the masculine, strong-willed person I am, did not shed a tear during the film, but you can't just dismiss them completely. The truth is, Disney is going into some pretty poignant areas that most animated films simply refuse to explore, and they must be applauded for that. The scene where Hiro discovers those Baymax tests Tadashi made before his death was, to put it simply, beautiful. The sentiment was delivered genuinely, I can assure you, and I don't think that most 14-year old children would react as calmly as Hiro did after the death of their older sibling. He only shed one tear on screen, but it made it all the more effective. So... stop griping, little sis, and appreciate that Disney is delving into these emotions.

As for your argument that Frozen is better, I won't even debate with you on that, since you're completely biased already. I myself preferred Big Hero 6 to Frozen. Why? More modern, for one thing. Frozen, for all its grandeur and beauty, trotted basically the same path as Beauty and the Beast, Tangled, and Sleeping Beauty before it. Not to say that it ripped off those story-lines, but that all films had the same sort of medieval, old-fashioned feel. Big Hero 6 was almost dripping with modern technology and ideas, but it still managed to retain its emotion and timelessness. Thus, it's more relevant, and a more original idea for the 21st Century. There are other reasons, too, and I can go into them if you insist, but that's my main point, and not a point that the catchiness of "Let It Go" alone can refute.
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I'm pretty sure I'm not biased.
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Everyone is biased, Novatom, and the fact that Elsa is your avatar and you've expressed in numerous places that Frozen is your favorite movie points to you being biased toward Frozen (that, and the fact that you haven't given any substantial reasons as to why Frozen is better; you're just tearing down BH6 and stating that Frozen is better).
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Good gravy, Novatom, stop tarnishing the family name!

Your avatar alone officially discredits anything you have to say about a debate between Frozen and another movie, not to mention your ongoing year-long obsession with the film. On the contrary, there are hundreds of movies released that have been better than Frozen (though admittedly, there are probably thousands that have been worse). Big Hero 6 is just the latest addition to the gargantuan list. ;)

By the way, I understand that most people don't like to look at films from a critical perspective, but when we're debating the quality of a film, we probably should, and set personal biases aside. For example, I like the movie Chicken Little. Is it a good movie from a critical standpoint? Absolutely not. But I still find it a bit funny, and enjoy it for nostalgic purposes. But if I were to get into a debate about the quality of Chicken Little as a film, I would cast my personal biases aside and simply examine it from a critical standpoint. I would advise you to do the same, for the purpose of this debate.
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I am not in a debate though, CT. I just think Frozen is better than BH6.

I can't really explain why I like Frozen. I just like it, it's a good movie. I can't really explain. But I assure you, I know I'm biased. And if you want me to change my avatar to BH6...
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Once again I remind you that yes, you are biased, and that's not inherently a bad thing. Everyone is biased. I am biased, Arnold is biased, and you are biased.

This isn't about your avatar; this is about the fact that you claim to be objective when you clearly aren't.
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ArnoldtheRubberDucky wrote: Your avatar alone officially discredits anything you have to say about a debate between Frozen and another movie
I certainly disagree with this statement. An avatar is just an avatar, and it does not scream that it is what the wearer think is the "BEST THING EVA", but rather their choice of representation at the moment.

(Case in point, my avatar is Regina from OUAT, however, Belle is my favorite character, not Regina...)
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TigerShadow wrote:
This isn't about your avatar; this is about the fact that you claim to be objective when you clearly aren't.
I know. The avatar thing was a joke. I also agree that I am somewhat biased, though that does not change the fact that Frozen is a good movie.

I am aware that I can't debate. I know my opinions but I do a miserable job at explaining, so I just won't try to explain this time.
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Yeah, sorry, it was a bit of a joke, a hyperbole, if you will. No, I don't think Novatom's avatar completely discredits her opinion, but if you lived in our house for the past year, you'd know that she is very biased against Frozen as a movie, and, as Tigershadow said, that's not inherently a bad thing, though it can be when you're trying to be objective. By the way, what does OUAT stand for, Belle? I'm curious now...

Oh yeah, and never call me CT again, Novatom. I am the Ducky.

Let us now make an effort to get back on topic. Who here wants a sequel to Big Hero 6?
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If there was as sequel, it'd be called Big Hero 7.
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...No, it...wouldn't. Big Hero 6 is the name of the team.

Actually, I think I'd like to see half-hour shorts, like what we got with How To Train Your Dragon ("Gift of the Night Fury", "Legend of the Boneknapper", "Book of Dragons", and "Dawn of the Dragon Racers") with each short focusing on a member of the team—Wasabi, GoGo, Fred, and Honey Lemon—so we could see their characters fleshed out a bit.
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Perhaps you don't know your opinions, Novatom. What exactly do you mean by "can't explain"? Are you saying you have no other reasons to think that Frozen is a better movie than BH6 other than: "It's a good movie." My guess is it's a little more complicated than that...
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