Is it wrong for women to wear pants?

[John Henry]

I am awkward?

Clearly that a woman is wearing them? No. They look about the same as men's pants - if not completely.

[TigerShadow]

I am awkward?

Read my post again.

No. They look about the same as men's pants - if not completely

Except that they don't, though. You do realize that "pants" is not synonymous with "two tubes of fabric for legs", right? Once again: women's pants are cut in a way distinct from men's pants. They are made more to fit a woman's wider hips, and they tend to flare out more at the leg and ankle, whereas men's pants tend to be a more rectangular design. They do not look the same. I could point out to you at any point which pants are made to fit a woman and which are made to fit a man, especially if you're looking at a person from the hips down and not judging them for daring to wear pants.

[Samantha14]

My walmart doesn't sell Nike shorts D:

THIS. IS UNACCEPTABLE.

I KNOW. D: I'm not even sure they sell Nike shoes anymore...

[John Henry]

Really, Tiger?

[TigerShadow]

Yes. Really.

[Eleventh Doctor]

First off, JH are you obsessed with the KKK? Because you seem to bring it up an awful lot. Secondly, maybe believe a woman when she tells you what women's clothing looks like? I would hope that is something you're not an expert about.

As to skirts, while not as common men do wear kilts in certain circumstances. In Greece actually soldiers wear a ceremonial Fustanella or shirt skirt.

In fact this piece of clothing was common in the Byzantine empire and for long periods of time in southeast Europe. So yet again it seems as though you are using as a universal rule the fashion of 1700-1800 Western Europe, why?

[John Henry]

Sir, Actually I'm not obcessed to that group. I just have a bad habit of being interested in random things...such as racism...since my countrymen tend to be racial to foreigners...
As for your picture, OK, I tend to agree, but what about common clothes?

[Eleventh Doctor]

What about common clothes? That was the common fashion for men in Southeastern Europe for much of their history and for the Byzantine empire for over a thousand years. Why don't we use one of the most Christian empires as the model for fashion? Sir, you should be wearing a fustanella because the Bible says not to crossdress and I have decided that the fustanella, or robes, are the only acceptable men's clothing. Just as you have decided that a dress/skirt is the only acceptable women's clothing.

Which of us is right and why? Not a rhetorical question, you need to answer this question.

[John Henry]

I say that if a dress/skirt is men's clothes in America - then yes. If not - no. Likewise the Women. I don't see the difference of men's pants and women's pants in the modern days.

(with no offense to anyone)

[TigerShadow]

So wait—are you saying that if in America skirts are considered men's clothing, men should wear them and that is "men's dress"? By that logic, your entire viewpoint crashes—in America, pants are considered both men's and women's clothing.

[John Henry]

Exactly, could it not be confusing?
(just asking)

[TigerShadow]

No, unless you choose to, say, judge from a distance based on your preconceived notions of men's and women's clothing. I can tell just fine what the difference is without actively looking for it.

[John Henry]

Honestly, I don't.

(probably because men don't have such a good eye as women)

[Eleventh Doctor]

But can it change with the culture? What if skirts like the above were to become a common male fashion? Would it be okay to wear them then?

Okay, you don't see differences but you have had several girls tell you there are differences, do you think they are making these things up?

What? Men don't have as a good eye? Where are these stereotypes coming from?

[John Henry]

Maybe, my eyesight must be poor...

[TigerShadow]

Perhaps you're actively ignoring those differences because to acknowledge them would mean acknowledging that women really ought not to be restricted to an archaic dress code that is as capricious as the culture that decides what it is.

[John Henry]

Well, maybe I am.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Okay so it sounds like we've made some progress in this discussion. So can we agree that we shouldn't be using 1700-1800 Western Europe to decide what men and women should wear?

[John Henry]

How about the early 1900s?

[Eleventh Doctor]

Okay, like 1910 or 1920? And if so, why those decades? And what area of the world?