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If the original Church (YOUR church) cannonized the Bible, then why aren't the more important (according to you) writings of other Church leaders in the Bible?

Could the past 2000 years of Christianity be wrong? (not on things you would say are "unchangeable"...but maybe on the importance of the Bible, or Christians in government, or something...)

Why are the writings of some priest more important that the teachings of Jesus? O.o
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Miss Friendship wrote:Do you ever have debates IRL that remind you of what people say on the SS?
Yes, I was hanging out with Catherine and Leah tonight and I mentioned something you had said in one of our debates.
Miss Friendship wrote:Have you ever been gone almost a day without water?
Yes, on Pascha it's a strict fast the day before.
Miss Friendship wrote:Do you think I will pass you up in posts sometime?
Probably
Miss Friendship wrote:Yes. It works as a blood clot if you need something to help stop a terrible gushing wound. No, I have not heard of band aids. I suppose they are little devices packed with things that stop up your blood. Or do they merely cover the wound like a bandage? #Sarcasm
I feel like that wouldn't be sanitary.
Miss Friendship wrote:Just to clarify for our next debate...which starts now. Since Jesus rose from the dead, everything He says is true.

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
So Jesus here is agreeing with my interpretation of creation. By saying there was no millions of years. FROM THE BEGINNING, Adam and Eve existed.
That's a quote from Genesis, do you think I had just never read Genesis?
Blitz wrote:Worst church service experience?
I went to the funeral of a friend at a church that was currently going through an abuse scandal and one of the pastors who gave the sermon had helped cover up the abuse.
Isaiah the Ox wrote:If the original Church (YOUR church) cannonized the Bible, then why aren't the more important (according to you) writings of other Church leaders in the Bible?

Could the past 2000 years of Christianity be wrong? (not on things you would say are "unchangeable"...but maybe on the importance of the Bible, or Christians in government, or something...)

Why are the writings of some priest more important that the teachings of Jesus? O.o
Because they didn't belong in the Bible. What's in the Bible is there for a reason but its not the whole of Christianity.

Sure, they could be wrong on some things. I've never claimed that they are right on every issue or that the writings of some priests are more important than the teachings of Jesus, I'm not sure where that last one came from.
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Eleventh Doctor wrote:Yes, I was hanging out with Catherine and Leah tonight and I mentioned something you had said in one of our debates.
What was it I said/you said?
Eleventh Doctor wrote:I feel like that wouldn't be sanitary.
It's natural. And sometimes natural remedies work. I mean, God made cinnamon for a reason.
Eleventh Doctor wrote:That's a quote from Genesis, do you think I had just never read Genesis?
Talk about avoiding my question. Sure. But you claim Genesis was not translated right. However Jesus can be literal and He agreed with it. Therefore that tops everything you believe about Genesis being not literal.
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I was talking about our discussion about whether monarchs can be Christians and we discussed St. Olga of Russia.

As a spice, I mean God made arsenic and poison ivy but I wouldn't pour either of those in your wound.

I never said Genesis wasn't translated properly and I never said that God didn't create Adam and Eve.
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Do your friends believe in two different Kingdoms? Cause of they didn't, my way of thinking wouldn't make sense.

So everything natural God made is a poison? I see.

You said it was so long ago we can't trust it to be literal.

Did you read my post in Goings and Comings?
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They don't believe in the Two Kingdoms but they understood your concerns.

Did I say that? Or did I say some things are proper in some contexts and not every context. Arsenic in small doses can be an effective medicine. Your argument that it is natural and thus can be used as a medicine does not apply across the board.

No, I said it was written in a time period when literal histories were not written.

I did, going to miss you. Hopefully you'll keep up on Twitter though?
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Eleventh Doctor wrote:but they understood your concerns.
Hmm, they must be nicer than you then. :P

Ok, guess so.

And I am saying Jesus agreed with it literally. And He would know of all people. So I valid reason for believing what I do.

It's not like I'm leaving for extremely long. It might be only a few days. Yes, I'll always read your stuff, and maybe send you a message--I think you can do that without actually tweeting something.
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Leah and Catherine are literally the nicest people I know, so yes :P

I think your view is valid, I'm just not convinced.

You can message me so only I can see it
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Do you think I should join Twitter?

What is you opinion of my nominating Oxr for a debate vampire?
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I think you should at least check it out.

I think he'd be a great addition.
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Do you add debate vampires on your own accord or do you rely on your vampires to nominate them?
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The debate vampire rituals have been shrouded in mist and mystery since before time began.
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Will you ever change your avatar?

Why are you king and duke....

If you think about your married to TS since she is duchess....
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I will never change my avatar

Most kings are also dukes or hold other minor titles, a king is a ruler over an entire land but duke refers to specific holdings. There can also be more than one duchy in a kingdom so I am not married to TS, she is the Duchess of the lands of logic I am the Duke of Quebec; two different holdings.
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Will you actually miss MF or will you just miss her questions and debating? :twisted:

Did you know I am leaving too?

Do you like ice cream?

Are you shy or outgoing with strangers?

Do you think it is wrong for a church to meet in homes instead of a church building?
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MF is intrinsically linked to the questions she asks and the debates she participates in, I can't separate those aspects from her.

I do

I am generally ambivalent about ice cream

I tend to be more on the shy side

I don't think its wrong but I think the normative is to meet in a building set aside and consecrated for worship.
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what are your thoughts on euthanasia? I know most of my christian friends are all like sanctity of life no never nope. But I am taking an ethics course and I have to have opinions not based on "Well God said so" or "well I personally don't even like killing spiders so there is that" but I have to base them on reason. I'm having trouble saying no to euthanasia based solely on reason after doing my first readings for today.

The case studies are as follows. Please tell me what you think about each one. (Yes I realise I could have made this a debate topic but I'm not really into debate, I just want to know what you think as like a conversation so I won't get stressed and hide in a hole.)
1. A girl is born with a disease which effectively makes her brain dead. She therefore has no desires. She is not aware of life. The textbook basically claims this undoes her right to sanctity of life. To make it more complicated, her parents want her death to be hastened so they can donate her organs to help save another life. The hospital would not allow this and by the time she died (which was inevitable) her organs were unable to be used as they had deteriorated too much. The argument here is essentially that the organs were doing her no good but could have done another child good.

2. Two children are conjoined twins. If they stay together they shall both die. If they are separated the weaker twin will die, but the stronger one will live. The parents are devout catholics and say they can not actively kill one daughter. When told that both will die if they do not separate them the parents say that is up to God. The court intervened and ordered the twins to be separated. One lived one survived. Interestingly enough the argument that the court used was that they were not killing the twin, they were separating her, it just so happened they knew she would die as a result. Other arguments are similar to the first one.

3. This last one is the only one where I actually came up with something to say (after thinking about it for a long time). A father killed his 12 year old daughter because she was still operating at the level physically and mentally of a newborn due to an illness which was causing her a bunch of pain. This one did not have the complication of her death aiding another person. This was just a case of a person able to communicate thinking they can decide what is best for someone unable to communicate. My argument here is that just as the textbook said again and again that we cannot use the snowball fallacy to back up our arguments because we don't know what is going to happen in the future, I think we don't know what is going to happen in her future. I know tons of people who have lived when doctors thought they were going to die and who worked through great pain to have a better future.

This isn't plagiarism btw. I don't have to do an assignment about this. I just need to have something to say to participate in discussion on Friday and I'm stressed because I feel obligated to represent Christ in my class but I don't know how to do that using reason and I was curious what you thought about it.

Sorry this is such a long post.
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You said before (pretty recently in this thread) that you didn't think the Bible was as important as other Christian writings.

Why is it so difficult to find Jesus in the Old Testament?

Does the Bible give us clues as to when exactly Jesus will return? Or even signs of the times right before he returns? (in your opinion)
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aragtaghooligan wrote:A girl is born with a disease which effectively makes her brain dead. She therefore has no desires. She is not aware of life. The textbook basically claims this undoes her right to sanctity of life. To make it more complicated, her parents want her death to be hastened so they can donate her organs to help save another life. The hospital would not allow this and by the time she died (which was inevitable) her organs were unable to be used as they had deteriorated too much. The argument here is essentially that the organs were doing her no good but could have done another child good.
My main objection here would be one of the slippery slope where life is slowly devalued in the name of pragmatism. It starts with a brain dead baby but then goes to a baby that needs extreme life saving care and then goes to a car accident victim who probably won't make it or an elderly patient whose life is less important than the quality of life of someone else.
aragtaghooligan wrote:Two children are conjoined twins. If they stay together they shall both die. If they are separated the weaker twin will die, but the stronger one will live. The parents are devout Catholics and say they can not actively kill one daughter. When told that both will die if they do not separate them the parents say that is up to God. The court intervened and ordered the twins to be separated. One lived one survived. Interestingly enough the argument that the court used was that they were not killing the twin, they were separating her, it just so happened they knew she would die as a result. Other arguments are similar to the first one.
There are so many complications about conjoined twins both medically and ethically. I don't feel qualified to speak to this issue.
aragtaghooligan wrote:This last one is the only one where I actually came up with something to say (after thinking about it for a long time). A father killed his 12 year old daughter because she was still operating at the level physically and mentally of a newborn due to an illness which was causing her a bunch of pain. This one did not have the complication of her death aiding another person. This was just a case of a person able to communicate thinking they can decide what is best for someone unable to communicate. My argument here is that just as the textbook said again and again that we cannot use the snowball fallacy to back up our arguments because we don't know what is going to happen in the future, I think we don't know what is going to happen in her future. I know tons of people who have lived when doctors thought they were going to die and who worked through great pain to have a better future.
I think we have to avoid the snowball fallacy but if we can make a convincing argument for each point from the initial point to the future then it isn't a fallacy. As for this specific case I don't see how this isn't just murder.
Isaiah the Ox wrote:Why is it so difficult to find Jesus in the Old Testament?

Does the Bible give us clues as to when exactly Jesus will return? Or even signs of the times right before he returns? (in your opinion)
I wasn't aware it was difficult to find Jesus in the Old Testament.

I don't believe so
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Wait I think by snowball fallacy I meant slippery slope. Doesn't logic not allow slippery slope arguments? Could you give me something more than "I don't see how this isn't just murder."? That isn't really enough to go on in class since everyone is acknowledging it is murder. The question is, is this murder justified since it is a "mercy killing"?

I talked to my friend Ben about this. He said go on the argument of sanctity of life. I said they were trying to say that these people shouldn't remain living because they had no desire to live for at least the girl with essentially no brain was incapable of desire and they were in pain and in the case of the first two their death could save another. So I said I needed to have a reason for why sanctity of life is important, beyond just God said so. Ben said "All ethics depends on the sanctity of human life as an axiom. If human life is not an assumed value then we don't have any reason to even begin trying to determine the best outcome in a given situation, since making human life the best it can be is the measure of a good outcome." I thought that was a very good point and I think I'm going to bring it up in class on Friday. What do you think?
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