Debate. Discuss.
(ask MF for the exact issue to debate

James 5:1-5It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 6:19-21 Quote from JesusCome now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. 2 Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. 4 Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.
Matthew 19:21 Quote from JesusDo not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Just saying. *whistles*26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?”
27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
I'm never said it wasn't impossible. I gave the verses that show how it's possible too.SirWhit wrote:People seem to conveniently ignore the verse right after the first one you cited, MF.
Just saying. *whistles*26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?”
27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
Of course. This is opposite extreme some could rush to after reading those verses, but I don't think it's the right approach.Eleventh Doctor wrote:So MF do you possess anything?
I totally agree with you. Compared to the rest of the world*, America is extremely wealthy. Which is why us Christians should really pay attention here to what Jesus said on wealth.SirWhit wrote:Yeah that's also a good point. By what standard do we judge riches? From the standpoint of Jesus's time we're all rich here in the US. We work cushy hours for the most part, have smartphones, and make a lot of money compared to the rest of the world and compared to ancient times.
Your focus is on the wrong place. We don't try to figure out how much wealth we can have and still be saved. Our focus should be on how much we can give to God. When we are living to give Jesus our wealth and to work as hard as we can so we have more to give, our wealth becomes a blessing instead of a curse.Eleventh Doctor wrote:So what is an acceptable level of possessions to possess?
Did I ever give you the short story of Frank the Wise Investor?Eleventh Doctor wrote:Okay, so what does that look like in practice to you?
I'm not surprised. Well that kind of focus and vision that Frank had is what we should have for Gods Kingdom in this area of money.Eleventh Doctor wrote:You did, I didn't find that story to be helpful.
Who are you asking?Spoon wrote:What would you say is an unethical way to spend your money?