The Eternal Security of a believer
What is your evidence for this?
Debate Vampire
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
I believe once saved, always saved, if you're truly saved. You can't loose your salvation. But there is such thing as "falling away" for a short period of time for a Believer. That happened with me, but God brought me back. If you fall away and are never brought back by God, that means that you never were saved in the first place. Some people can fool the world into thinking that they're a Christian, but they aren't. Example: Paul Washer's wife. She even fooled him into thinking that she was a Christian, and even thought herself that she was a Christian, but wasn't. I think she became a Christian 6 or 11 years (I can't remember which) after they were married.
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Let me ask you about a specific question, Horatio Spafford who wrote It Is Well With My Soul died in Israel delirious claiming he was God. Was he never really saved because of what he said at the end of his life?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
No, he went medically insane. Don't you think that's a bit different than walking away from God?Eleventh Doctor wrote:Let me ask you about a specific question, Horatio Spafford who wrote It Is Well With My Soul died in Israel delirious claiming he was God. Was he never really saved because of what he said at the end of his life?
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Is it? What if he had walked away from God? Would all his life's work have been false?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
I don't know if he had sinned before he made those claims to be God. But I think God would forgive him if he wasn't sane.Eleventh Doctor wrote:Is it? What if he had walked away from God? Would all his life's work have been false?
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So God will forgive him but not someone else?
Also I think we should look at the parable of the Prodigal Son, the classic story of someone who fell away and squandered the riches or grace given him before returning to the father. When the father accepted the son back are we then to say that the son wasn't really his son before?
Also I think we should look at the parable of the Prodigal Son, the classic story of someone who fell away and squandered the riches or grace given him before returning to the father. When the father accepted the son back are we then to say that the son wasn't really his son before?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie