What do you think of David J. Stewart and his website?
- jehoshaphat
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No Roman Catholics worship saints. We honor them and ask for there prayers because they lived holy and God filled lives and we believe they are now in heaven. It is the same thing with Mary. We do not worship her, only honor and revere her because she is the Mother of God. Don't worry it is a common istake made by protestants.
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- Peach Cobbler
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Does the Holy Scriptures or what we call Apocrypha ever teach the worship of the Saints? Also, what about Mary? Oh, and Jehoshaphat -Dr. 11 is actually an Orthodox.
- TigerShadow
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It doesn't matter, as both Eleventh Doctor and jehoshaphat just stated that the Catholic Church does not teach Saint or Mary worship.John Henry wrote:Does the Holy Scriptures or what we call Apocrypha ever teach the worship of the Saints?
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it's not about 'deserve'. it's about what you believe. and i believe in love
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Really? I can't believe this!
You can't believe that people are refuting your assumptions about what they believe because it isn't true? O_oJohn Henry wrote:Really? I can't believe this!
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- jehoshaphat
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And I do know that 11th is Orthodox. John Henry, did you even read the post I wrote?
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Yes, but that's interesting. I pass by a Catholic Church every day, and whenever I see people passing by a statue of Mary - they bow their heads - or even pray to her.
- Eleventh Doctor
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Okay and as jehoshaphat said, Orthodox and Catholic veneration of Mary is not worship.
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
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"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
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Not worship? They call her terms like "Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven".
- Eleventh Doctor
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She is those things. That is not worship. Are you hoping to convince us that we are indeed worshiping Mary?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
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- Peach Cobbler
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Catholic actually PRAY to her.
- Eleventh Doctor
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No, they ask her to pray for them. In the same way you would ask your mother to pray for you.
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Why, does the Bible or Apocrypha teach that? Scripture please. Also, back to topic - David J. Stewart teaches that the new Pope was a member of Hitler's Youth - yet, I found that to be incorrect.
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Where in Scripture do you find teachings that say to ask others for prayer? I assume you do ask others to pray for you?
Again, you do realize that David J. Stewart created this site as a joke right? Also back when he wrote that he was referring to Pope Benedict who was indeed a member of Hitler's Youth; like the vast majority of German youth at the time.
Again, you do realize that David J. Stewart created this site as a joke right? Also back when he wrote that he was referring to Pope Benedict who was indeed a member of Hitler's Youth; like the vast majority of German youth at the time.
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
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Yet, I think he was forced to...I'll get my source soon.
- Eleventh Doctor
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Okay, have you figured out yet that you were mistaken about Catholics worshiping Saints?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
For the last time, if you don't have a source, don't post it. If you continue to post without verifiable sources, you can give up any hope of being taken seriously by me ever again.John Henry wrote:Yet, I think he was forced to...I'll get my source soon.
Actually back in the Middle Ages, in some areas, Saint worship was practiced. England outlawed it after they broke from the Catholic Church.
(taken from Henry the 8th.)
(taken from Henry the 8th.)
Debate Vampire
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Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
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Actual sources, not historical figures. How were the Saints worshiped and how did England outlaw it?
King of The Lands of Rhetoric, Lord Ruler of the Debate Vampires, and Duke of Quebec
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
"It's particularly ignorant to assume malicious or ignorant intentions behind an opinion with which one disagrees." ~Connie
No, I mean I read it in one of the books about him. It was one of the few things he did when he left the Catholic church. There were formerly a lot of saint statues in England that through mechanical devices could do tricks. English were highly superstitious so some worshiped them.
Here is the quote
"...Denouced the abuse of of images, warned men against excessive devotion to saints..." (Henry VIII, A.F. Pollard)
The rest of the chapter goes on to continue to describe Henry the 8th destruction of many statues which were worshiped and his other changes to the church.
Here is the quote
"...Denouced the abuse of of images, warned men against excessive devotion to saints..." (Henry VIII, A.F. Pollard)
The rest of the chapter goes on to continue to describe Henry the 8th destruction of many statues which were worshiped and his other changes to the church.
Debate Vampire
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset
Everyone (Blitz doesn't count) fears ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter
Can you change me from the monster you made me? Monster: Starset