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Eleventh Doctor wrote:I'm not saying evolution happened before the Fall.
Oh, really? Because that's what a lot of Christians think! Out of curiosity, when do you think it happened?
Sorry, I assumed you were a person who believed it happened before the fall.
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No worries, I'm not able to articulate in great detail the points of theistic evolution. I grew up an Old Earth Creationist and only recently started considering theistic evolution. I'm not ready to devote the time needed to research this issue thoroughly enough to have a strong opinion on this as there are many other issues I need to be focusing on now.

But to take this discussion in a slightly different direction. I do want to say that I think the evidence is there for a Young Earth Creationist view. I think that our view on this issue is largely unimportant and not a salvation issue as long as you believe God created the universe out of nothing. I would hope you wouldn't cast doubt on another Christian's faith if they believe in Old Earth or theistic evolution.
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Eleventh Doctor wrote:No worries, I'm not able to articulate in great detail the points of theistic evolution. I grew up an Old Earth Creationist and only recently started considering theistic evolution. I'm not ready to devote the time needed to research this issue thoroughly enough to have a strong opinion on this as there are many other issues I need to be focusing on now.

But to take this discussion in a slightly different direction. I do want to say that I think the evidence is there for a Young Earth Creationist view. I think that our view on this issue is largely unimportant and not a salvation issue as long as you believe God created the universe out of nothing. I would hope you wouldn't cast doubt on another Christian's faith if they believe in Old Earth or theistic evolution.
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Good to hear that.
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Yeah...awesome!
I just don't agree with an old earth theory, but this has nothing to with salvation.
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@Metal You make some good points but you also bring up a point about the literal vs figurative nature of Genesis. The verse Mark is quoting is Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." In this part of Genesis God creates an ambiguous number of nameless male and female humans at the same time.
This part does seem a little weird, but it doesn't necessarily say that he created more than two humans(though it could definitely mean that as well). It does seem to hint that Eve was the first female to me, though. What really gets me is that in Genesis 2:5 it says: "Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground". However, it says that plants came before humans, so how would that work? :?

You make a great point with the John verses. But the Bible also says a thousand years are like a day to the Lord. Do we accept that as literal?
I think God's just so timeless that saying such a thing just means that any concept of time is just a blink for him, because he's above time itself. Heck, if I've always lived and always will live, then 1000 years would seem pretty short to me too. :P
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The differences between these two creation accounts are really what got me to change my mind on the literal nature of the Genesis accounts. Well Eve was the first female so that's not different but what is different is the fact that they were created together.

So the Bible is using figurative language.
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I have a question: Polar bears cannot live together with animals of the tropics. How could Noah carry animals of different climates in his ark? How could they survive? Augustine suggests that God could have created animals even after Noah's flood.
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John Henry wrote:I have a question: Polar bears cannot live together with animals of the tropics. How could Noah carry animals of different climates in his ark? How could they survive?
God is All-Powerful, is He not? Is it not possible that He controlled the temperature in the Ark, to ensure the animals lived in comfort?
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Before the flood the world had the same temperature all around.
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Sources please?
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Actual scientific sources not from an article where the author quotes himself while citing Scriptural interpretation instead of actual science?
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Can we just make a hard and fast rule that if you're going to cite from Answers in Genesis, you need at least two other sources to corroborate?
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I would be in favor of such a rule
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underseasie wrote:
John Henry wrote:I have a question: Polar bears cannot live together with animals of the tropics. How could Noah carry animals of different climates in his ark? How could they survive?
God is All-Powerful, is He not? Is it not possible that He controlled the temperature in the Ark, to ensure the animals lived in comfort?
Eleventh Doctor wrote:Sources please?
Underseasie's idea actually first comes from the book, The Ark, The Reed, and the Fire Cloud, written by Jenny L. Cote (check out epicorderoftheseven.com)

It's an obviously fictional series, so she isn't saying it actually happens that way, but the author gives the idea that God created the sections in the ark to suite each animal's needs.
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Eleventh Doctor wrote:I would be in favor of such a rule
Actually, I think the rule should be declared thusly:

"Thou shalt not, in the context of supporting thy points, cite from Answers in Genesis. If, however, under desperate circumstances thou hast the need to do this, thou must cite a minimum of two reputable scientific sources to back the claim as well."
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I don't see anything wrong with Answers in Genesis. I for one decline the rule.
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In the article Blitz shared the author quoted a study done by himself. The other sources he quoted were not scientist but papers from various creationist institutes. Also, instead of trying to discover what actually happened in the world they are taking their interpretation of several verses and trying to create scientific models that agree with their interpretation. This is very bad science.
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Metal15 wrote:I don't see anything wrong with Answers in Genesis. I for one decline the rule.
I decline the rule as well.
Listen up!
In the Bible in Genesis, it said there was evening, then morning. One day. (This is how the Jews count their days). Literally. Evening and morning doesn't take a thousand years. That means six literal day, you guys.
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