Men & Women, Who Should Be Ordained?

[Doll]

I found this interesting article about why men should not be ordained in the church:

Dave’s Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

10. A man’s place is in the army
9. For men who have children, their duties might distract them from the responsibility of being a parent.
8. Their physical build indicates that men are more suited to tasks such as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be “unnatural” for them to do other forms of work.
7. Man was created before woman, obviously as a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment, rather than the crowning achievement of creation.
6. Men are too emotional to be priests of pastors, Their conduct at football games and cricket matches shows this.
5. Some men are handsome; they will distract women worshipers.
4. To be an ordained pastor is to nurture the congregation. But this is not a traditional male role. Rather, throughout history, women have been considered to be not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more fervently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.
3. Men are overly prone to violence. No real manly man wants to settle disputes otherwise than by fighting about it. Thus, they would be poor role models, as well as being dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.
2. In the New Testament account, the person who betrayed Jesus was a man, Thus his lack of faith and ensuing punishment stands as a symbol of the subordinated position that all men should take.
1. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep paths, repair the church roof, and maybe even lead the singing on Father's Day. By confining themselves to such traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the Church.

What is your opinions on whether men or women should or shouldn't be ordained ministers?

[shnoodlec.]

Pshhhh. Of course they shouldn't be ordained. Men and their antics.

Also thank you for this wonderful gift of a post

[Wakko]

Holy cow, this dude sounds like he's doing some hardcore trolling, but I'll try to break it down anyways.

10. A man’s place is in the army

To say that all men should be in the army, not all men are able to be in the army or want to be in the army. Also, why can't men have other jobs? Do women do every single job except for being in the army?

9. For men who have children, their duties might distract them from the responsibility of being a parent.

The same thing can be said about women.

8. Their physical build indicates that men are more suited to tasks such as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be “unnatural” for them to do other forms of work.

Not all men were created to do tough physical work, and where does this "Dave" live that men need to wrestle mountain lions?

7. Man was created before woman, obviously as a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment, rather than the crowning achievement of creation.

Well then we should just wipe out all men shouldn't we?

6. Men are too emotional to be priests of pastors, Their conduct at football games and cricket matches shows this.

Women can be just as, if not more, emotional then men.

5. Some men are handsome; they will distract women worshipers.

Again the same thing could be said about women. >_>

4. To be an ordained pastor is to nurture the congregation. But this is not a traditional male role. Rather, throughout history, women have been considered to be not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more fervently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.

Does this guy even know that there is more then just macho lumberjack type men?

3. Men are overly prone to violence. No real manly man wants to settle disputes otherwise than by fighting about it. Thus, they would be poor role models, as well as being dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.

Just because on average men are more violent doesn't mean that they can't have civil conversations.

2. In the New Testament account, the person who betrayed Jesus was a man, Thus his lack of faith and ensuing punishment stands as a symbol of the subordinated position that all men should take.

Apparently he doesn't realize that Jesus was also a man.

1. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep paths, repair the church roof, and maybe even lead the singing on Father's Day. By confining themselves to such traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the Church.

I don't disagree that men can help in other ways in the church, but to say that they shouldn't be ordained at all is ridiculous.
Also, this list made me laugh. xD

[Gooey98]

Such troll. Much joke.

[Jared DeWhite]

Stop trolling.

Women can not be bishops, therefor who would be ordained?

[Eleventh Doctor]

Hmm the troll telling people to stop trolling, how rich.

[Doll]

It's called satire....

I'm honestly not 100% sure where I stand on whether women can be ordained or not.

[Blitz]

Depends on which denomination. Very few allow them.

[HomeschoolCowgirl]

6. Men are too emotional to be priests of pastors, Their conduct at football games and cricket matches shows this.

Women can be just as, if not more, emotional then men.

Their conduct while watching soap operas shows this.

[The Old Judge]

A number of denominations allow it now. Off the top of my head, the United Methodist Church (7.5 million adherents in the U.S.) and the American Baptist Churches (1.6 million members) have allowed it. I'll have to look up others that allow it. Personally, I do not believe women should be ordained ministers of the church. However, they are extremely integral to the operation of the Church, as is every single person in it.

[Audrey]

Such troll. Much satire. *applauds* You're getting there, Belle. xD

Personally, for the first 9 years of my life I was told that women couldn't be principals, much less pastors (yes, really). Then I moved and went to a church that agreed with the pastors thing, but not with anything else. xD So I thought no woman was really ordained, at least in Texas. But when we were searching for a new church, we visited one where a husband and wife were both the pastors of the church. We listened to the woman preach, actually. Though we ended up going to another church after a month, I really enjoyed listening to her preach; it really changed the way I thought about women being pastors.

So now, I personally believe that both men AND women can and should be ordained.

[Miss Friendship]

Are these verses ever taken into account when addressing this subject?

I Corinthians 14: 34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[Eleventh Doctor]

That's a good question MissFriendship, do you follow these verses in your church?

[Miss Friendship]

Yes. The women do not speak unless you count singing...which isn't speaking and teaching.

[Eleventh Doctor]

I think that's a bit of a technicality.

But let me clarify a bit, let's say that there's going to be a woman's Bible study later in the week for the women of your church and the person organizing this Bible study wants to let people know about it at the end of service on Sunday, would the pastor or a man need to make that announcement?

Also that verse says speak at all, so are women not allowed to speak in the church building until they get home?

[SirWhit]

In the Apostolic times men and women sat separately on different sides of the church. So when the women wanted to ask their husbands a question they would shout across the church which would get distracting. Hence that verse.

At least that's how it's been explained to me...I'll get back to you guys on a source ASAP.

[Miss Friendship]

@ Mr. Whits End. Actually I have heard that before too. But even if it was for them at that time, I still think it's in the Bible for a reason.

@ Eleventh. Yes, actually the moderator for the service makes all the announcements including women's events. Although I did forget that sometimes during "testimonies and confession", the women will share. But I personally wouldn't do that. I feel some could even turn that into a "teaching in church" opportunity.

And of course "church" is not the building. It's the people of Christ. We actually call what some call "church", the Meeting House. So after the people have disassembled, it's not the gathering of the church anymore, thus to speak in the Meeting House has nothing to do with the verse.

And again, a woman sharing a few words in church, and being ordained is a huge difference.

[SirWhit]

On a side note do you believe it's right for people to preach without ordination?

[Miss Friendship]

Of course. Jesus told everyone to go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature....if ordination was essential He would have mentioned that. But don't get me wrong. I believe in ordination... especially for the church. Are you asking about preaching in church, on the streets, or both? In our church, we only have one ordained man, and so its quite common to have a non-ordained brother share with us. (Sometimes we will listen to a recorded message on cd)

[Ashley]

I agree mostly with MF on this, in that women should not teach. But during our Breaking of Bread service, we, as a church, decided from looking to the Bible that women can and should be able to read a passage of Scripture and pray aloud during that time, as it's not teaching. I know, scandalous for a Brethren assembly to allow that, but hey, someone should pave the way for it to be a norm.

Of course, for our women's Bible study, a woman leads that. It would be kinda awkward for a guy to lead it, as he would be the only guy. xD

I don't think it would be wrong for a woman to preach on the streets, but our group decided to limit women's activities to just handing out tracts and having conversations, as we have witnessed some violent things happen between the man preaching and hecklers. We would hate to see a woman get punched in the gut buy a tough biker.