The Apparel & Adornment of Women and Men

[Renae]

I think I get what you're saying Renae (correct me if I'm wrong, though). Basically, are you saying that a man should still be able to get around the obstacle, but a woman should not place the obstacle there in the first place?

Thank you TigerShadow. You are correct.

My point is that it *can't* be prevented, or there wouldn't be assault when women wear burkas. If covering up could prevent it, it wouldn't be an issue.

Your logic is erroneous. That's like saying death from cancer can't be prevented by chemotherapy because their have been people who have still died after chemotherapy.

@Eleventh Doctor
Like I said. People have different interpretations of the line. My father put these standards for me but normally I go with what my conscience tells me. For instance. My dad lets me wear makeup. But I don't because my conscience won't let me. The same goes for pencil skirts.

Like I told Spoon, that's not a valid argument. I believe by covering up, women CAN prevent SOME situations of lust.

[John Henry]

So, I made a very extreme statement of nudity. I admit a mistake. Actually, my definition of nudity is someone who is completely or almost completely (like wearing nothing, but an underwear) naked. I don't know why I said that misleading statement. I should have used what we do not accept or something like that.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Renae putting the responsibility on the woman to prevent rape also puts the blame on them if they get raped. But the issue should never be that the woman could have done something differently because she can do everything right and still be raped, then all you've done is made her feel guilty even though it is never her fault.

[Blitz]

Agreed. A lot of people especially women suffer about rapes even down to an offspring of the rape because of this mentality. Occasionally some one could have been a might bit smarter in where they were, but it is the offenders fault ultimately.

[Audrey]

JH, why do guys have to have short hair and girls have to have long hair? Also, what constitutes long and short?

[John Henry]

You'll know why if you read 1 Corinthians 11:14-15. Yes, you'll talk about the Nazarites, but the Nazarite vow was a ceremonial law, and the last person in the Bible that grew his hair was John the Baptist. I believe a guy oughtta have hair which has to be manish (like a man, and not like a girl). Now, how long is long for a woman? Some people believe if it goes past the neck, but we believe that it must just be left to grow, and not be cut (you no doubt, will have different opinions, but we want hair to be as long as possible. I don't "condemn" anyone. I've read of a good Christian man, intercessor, who at one time imitated the Nazarite in growing his hair. If men growing their hair is not a sin, then at least it is not as honorable as short hair.

[Blitz]

Why do you think it should be left to grow? I have never had anyone explain why people think hair should be left to grow on women.

[Rosy]

The problem with not cutting your hair is if you don't take care of it properly, and even sometimes if you do, you'll get awful split ends. And you can't get rid of them if you're not allowed to cut your hair.

I keep my hair short (chin length) simply because I don't want the time-consuming hassle of taking care of long hair.

[TigerShadow]

Whenever I've heard discussions of the hair section in that epistle, I've always heard it to be interpreted symbolically—something about modesty, I think. Remember, Paul was writing to a culture that had very different views on personal appearance than ours does. I'm not saying that "It's all SYMBOLIC!" is an automatic hand-wave to dismiss rules that you don't personally like, but other strictures Paul discussed in his writings seem to me to be matters of universal morality; fashion and hairstyles are more of a cultural thing.

[Wodfamchocsod]

Christ died for us so that we are no longer under Deuteronomys law of women wearing pants.
All of the Bible is for us, John Henry. It certainly doesn't mean all of it is to us.

[Mr. Yorp]

Why do you think it should be left to grow? I have never had anyone explain why people think hair should be left to grow on women.

But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Why is it a glory? Is it because she can use it as a covering? Cause they have these things called hats these days.

[TigerShadow]

Because we couldn't possibly take that as Paul writing to a particular culture or anything. >_>

[Mr. Yorp]

If you do cut it you must cover it.

[Eleventh Doctor]

What? Where does the Bible say that? Also please respond to Tigershadows point.

[Mr. Yorp]

I can't tell if he is being sarcastic.

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

[Eleventh Doctor]

I am part of a tradition that includes women covering their heads, I see nothing wrong with that but we can't be legalistic about it.

[Mr. Yorp]

What do you mean by "legalistic"?

[Eleventh Doctor]

It means strict adherence to law especially to the letter rather than the spirit.

[Mr. Yorp]

I am not a legalist, listening to the Holy Spirit is very important.