Disney's Big Hero 6 - SPOILERS!

[ArnoldtheRubberDucky]

So are you excusing bad antagonists and supporting characters? The villain is just as important as the hero, because without the villain, there is no hero. All you said regarding the quality of Frozen was that it had an "interesting storyline".

[Novatom]

I am not excusing bad antagonists. I said they weren't the main characters and weren't as important as the actual main characters.

I like Frozen. The songs are catchy. The story line is interesting and entertaining. It has the twist at the end with Hans. It is a good movie.

[Wakko]

So, one of the reasons that you think that BH6 isn't as good as Frozen was because the costume of the villain wasn't realistic? O_O

[Novatom]

Yes. As I said, it's not as much because BH6 is bad (which it's not, which is why I'm bad at giving reasons why it's bad), but because Frozen is better.

[TigerShadow]

And I like BH6 better because I thought the characters to be interesting as individuals, the villain to be excellently portrayed, the storyline to be solid, the animation and background art to be top-notch, and the attention paid to practical details to be unparalleled by just about any other movie I've ever seen (watch through the credits and you'll come to just how well Disney did its research in robotics). I won't speak for anyone here, but I'd guess that that sums up what most of us on here thought. It's a difference of opinion, but you have to be able to articulate your opinion well.

[Novatom]

I know, and you probably have now realized that I can't articulate my opinions very well. I would also like to remind you and everyone who has read this topic that you are eighteen and well-experienced in debating. I, however, am eleven and have never debated before.

[ArnoldtheRubberDucky]

Well, now that you are caught up in it, how bout telling us why exactly Frozen is your favorite movie (try not to give vague details, list specific examples).

[Novatom]

Let It Go (the other songs are good as well, this is just my favorite) is catchy, the vocals are amazing (Idina Menzel's vocal range), the background part is good as well, particularly the part right before Elsa goes into "my power flurries through the air into the ground..."

As I said before, I cried in Frozen when the parents died and when Anna froze. These parts were acted out skillfully and did not come off to me as melodramatic. Also, the separation between Anna and Elsa is devastating. To think Elsa's powers broke the bond between them is just heart-breaking, not only for the characters, but for those watching as well.

I can't think of anymore reasons right now, but if I do I will edit this.

[Samantha14]

I wanna know how your reaction would be if Arnold blew up in a fire... Just sayin'

[ArnoldtheRubberDucky]

Why, she would be devastated, of course! Even more devastated than she was when Anna died at the end of Frozen.

Um... I guess your arguments are okay, if only because they're YOUR arguments and you've finally been a bit more specific about things. And there's no way we can all agree on an exact definition of what "acting skillfully" even means, so I won't even bother with that, except by saying I think the leads in Big Hero 6 acted "more skillfully" than the leads in Frozen. Personally, I didn't find the breakage of the bond between Elsa and Anna "devastating". Unlike Tadashi's death (unless you saw the preview where it revealed that), it was expected. It wasn't really a twist, it was just how the plot was clearly going to go. I think you found it devastating since you can relate to the ultra-feminine girly girly female princess strong-willed stereotype-breaking heroines more than others. As I said before, it's just a difference of genre. Regardless, Tadashi's death was more devastating, for the characters at least, than anything that happened in Frozen. That's not just my opinion, it's practically a fact.

[Rosy]

*cries because of all the debating Frozen vs. BH6 and 5 whole pages and she still hasn't convinced her mom to take her to see it*

[Ashley]

I'M GOING TO SEE IT TONIGHT

[Novatom]

Personally, I didn't find the breakage of the bond between Elsa and Anna "devastating". Unlike Tadashi's death (unless you saw the preview where it revealed that), it was expected. It wasn't really a twist, it was just how the plot was clearly going to go. I think you found it devastating since you can relate to the ultra-feminine girly girly female princess strong-willed stereotype-breaking heroines more than others. As I said before, it's just a difference of genre. Regardless, Tadashi's death was more devastating, for the characters at least, than anything that happened in Frozen. That's not just my opinion, it's practically a fact.

Yes, Tadashi's death was a twist. It was unexpected and completely random. I was literally sitting in the theaters thinking, "what?"

And though I can see how it could be considered sad as well as Frozen, it wasn't as much. I must admit that the video clip of Tadashi did make me sad (though I didn't come close to crying).

[TigerShadow]

It's my opinion that BH6 can be considered sad unlike Frozen, actually.

Unlike when I watch Tangled or How to Train Your Dragon, I don't really get that invested in Frozen when I give it a rewatch. It's nice background noise, and I'm comfortable with it because there really aren't that many stakes in it. If Anna and Elsa don't become close...so what? What about their current relationship makes it worth saving? If they had wanted to give me a story about how Elsa has to be brought back primarily because she's a queen who has political responsibilities to her nation and she's the one who's been bred to run it, or primarily because she has to stop the winter, then I could be fine with the film as it is, because then Anna and Elsa essentially starting a sisterly relationship would have emotional satisfaction for me—it would feel very real. But Anna and Elsa's sisterhood is placed front-and-center, and it really has no punch for me because it doesn't sound like they've even had a relationship since they were children. There's nothing currently there to salvage, and therefore nothing there to interest me. (There's also the fact that Anna and Elsa don't really have a whole lot going for them as characters, generally speaking. EDIT: Upon rewatching, I've found that Anna is actually the sister who has some solid characterization going for her that gets me invested in her story, which is more than I can say for Elsa.)

But Hiro and Tadashi have something great there. They're brothers, but they're also the best of friends, while at the same time, Tadashi is also a quasi-father figure to Hiro. There's something about their relationship that really grabs me, and when the movie makes it clear that Hiro is devastated at losing Tadashi, I can believe that, because it already showed me a lot of depth there. Tadashi's death is much more of an emotional gut punch than anything that happened between Anna and Elsa. The stakes in BH6 are a lot higher—if they don't defeat Yokai/Callaghan, then hundreds or even thousands of people could be injured or killed using Hiro's technology, and on an emotional level, if Hiro does not let go of his hatred and realize what living up to Tadashi's memory really means, then he could become a danger to both himself and to others and lose his humanity the way Callaghan did. BH6 succeeds where Frozen did not, even though in many ways they were trying to do the same thing in telling a story about siblings.

For the record, when Arnold was referring to a twist, he was speaking of Anna and Elsa having a distant relationship not being a twist, not Tadashi's death. Could you explain how Tadashi's death was "random"?

[Novatom]

For the record, when Arnold was referring to a twist, he was speaking of Anna and Elsa having a distant relationship not being a twist, not Tadashi's death. Could you explain how Tadashi's death was "random"?

Okay, but I don't really think that Tadashi and Hiro's relationship was really a twist either. With Tadashi's death being random, I more meant the fire, because as soon as Tadashi gets into the fire, you know he'll die. What I meant by random was that Tadashi and Hiro were sitting having a conversation and then the fire started in the middle of it.

[TigerShadow]

Hiro and Tadashi's relationship wasn't meant to be a twist, nor did I say that it was.

But I'm still not seeing how that's random. It seems like a natural progression of the plot.

[Novatom]

It's more that the fire just came right out of the blue.

And with the twist thing I was speaking more to Arnold. Sorry I did not make that clear and addressed my statement to you.

[TigerShadow]

I'm not really seeing why that's a problem, though. If it had no role in the story, then yes, it was random, but it had a pretty major role to play in the plot of the film. That's not randomness, at least not where film and storytelling are concerned.

[Novatom]

I'm not really seeing why that's a problem, though. If it had no role in the story, then yes, it was random, but it had a pretty major role to play in the plot of the film. That's not randomness, at least not where film and storytelling are concerned.

I didn't say it was a problem. I said I was shocked and confused by the suddenness of the fire. I was basically complementing BH6.

[Wretched Sinner]

I saw Stan Lee's cameo immediately.

He's Fred's dad. You can see a picture of him and Fred in the mansion.