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TigerShadow
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Eleventh Doctor wrote:But if it's a work and makes your salvation dependent on others shouldn't we not do it?
Not if baptism doesn't save you.

Baptism, to me, is important because it is a public profession of who you are in Christ in the tradition of what Jesus did prior to the start of His ministry. I do not, however, believe it to be part of justification, because that undermines the verses about "not as a result of works, so that no one may boast".
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Ashley
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Miss Friendship wrote:
Sorry. I don't see that in scripture. Actually I see the opposite. 2 Peter 2:21
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them
Actually, looking at the context, that verse is talking about false teachers, who were never saved in the first place.
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Although the verse says that they had known the way at one time....which means they fell away. This verse in 1 Timothy says the same thing. "Some shall depart from the faith" indicacting they once knew it.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils
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@Tiger I just don't see this idea of it being a symbol, to me the verse about works is saying the works themselves are not the cause of justification I would say though that God works through baptism. God uses physical earthly things after all, otherwise why would Christ need to come down and actually be here if all was needed was symbol?
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I did a bit of research, and "know", or "knew" in that context is epiginōskō (ἐπιγινώσκω) actually means 1) to know accurately, know well. 2) to know. 3) to recognize, etc; as apposed to knowledge of the heart, hearing with the heart, or, having saving knowledge.
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Rev. 2:4-5 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place
How do you explain away this?
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I think we can safely say you can and likely will still sin after being saved, because we are still human.
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Yes, but if it isn't followed by a continued life of repentance, we will fall away and our names will be blotted from the Book of life.
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That may be true. It would probably be best to take the stance that you can lose your salvation than to think it will not matter if you sin.
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