Once Saved always Saved?

[HomeschoolCowgirl]

Does it say in the Bible that Jesus didn't die for a sin until we have confessed it? There's probably a better way to word this, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but....

[Wakko]

@WodFamChocSod Do you think that we can commit any sins we want to on Earth, and have no consequences other than having "no rewards" in Heaven?

[jehoshaphat]

Did you even read my post? Your not convincing me or anyone by saying this over and over again. Unless you can find some solid evidence and an infallible church to back you up, you are wrong.

[Wodfamchocsod]

Did you even read my post? Your not convincing me or anyone by saying this over and over again. Unless you can find some solid evidence and an infallible church to back you up, you are wrong.

I have solid evidence. The Bible. Look up john 10:29.
There are several churches that believe what I do. Even a denomination. Baptist.
Even if I didn't have a church, I wouldn't have been proven wrong. Just because a bunch of people belief something doesn't mean it's true.
Yes, Wakko.

[jehoshaphat]

I already refuted John 10:29. And I said an infallible church. Not just any old denomination started by who knows who, but the Catholic Church started by Jesus Christ himself.

[TigerShadow]

-pops head in-

Wodfamchocsod does not appear to be Catholic, and as a result he/she has no reason to accept the Catholic Church as anything somehow more intrinsically trustworthy than his/her own. Just because Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is infallible doesn't mean that every other Christian does, and therefore not everyone is going to feel the need to match up to the Catholic Church's teachings with some "infallible" doctrine of their own.

[Wodfamchocsod]

-pops head in-

Wodfamchocsod does not appear to be Catholic, and as a result he/she has no reason to accept the Catholic Church as anything somehow more intrinsically trustworthy than his/her own. Just because Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is infallible doesn't mean that every other Christian does, and therefore not everyone is going to feel the need to match up to the Catholic Church's teachings with some "infallible" doctrine of their own.

Thanks, Tigershadow.
Yeah, what she said.
Couldn't have said it better.
And I wanted to share this verse with you guys. Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

[Wakko]

There are several churches that believe what I do. Even a denomination. Baptist.

Baptist is a very big denomination, I think that maybe a few denominations might agree with you. But, not the whole denomination. :-

[Eleventh Doctor]

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

So this seems to be saying that those who have had the Holy Spirit can fall away. I thought you were arguing against this?

Wakko is right not all Baptist believe in once saved, always saved. In fact I believe most don't. The Reformed denominations would agree with you but they are a minority of Christians.

[jehoshaphat]

-pops head in-

Wodfamchocsod does not appear to be Catholic, and as a result he/she has no reason to accept the Catholic Church as anything somehow more intrinsically trustworthy than his/her own. Just because Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is infallible doesn't mean that every other Christian does, and therefore not everyone is going to feel the need to match up to the Catholic Church's teachings with some "infallible" doctrine of their own.

My point was that no Church except the Church started by Jesus himself can be infallible. And just because you don't believe it is doesn't make it not. Also @Wodfamchocsod the verse seems to be saying the opposite of what you mean.

[SirWhit]

As I understand it, the Apolistic church was the Catholic Church. They started to do weird stuff with the indulgences and the like, so the Protestants split off.

All churches have their roots in Jesus.

[Eleventh Doctor]

Well before that weird stuff they started doing other weird stuff and left the Catholic Church which came to be called the Orthodox Church.

How far do you take that? Does the Church of Later Day Saints have their roots in Jesus?

[jehoshaphat]

The wierd stuff with indulgences was very isolated. Also you could say the Orthodox split off from us.

[Eleventh Doctor]

You could say that but you could also say you split off from us.

[jehoshaphat]

True true. It just depends on how you look at it.

[Wodfamchocsod]

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

So this seems to be saying that those who have had the Holy Spirit can fall away. I thought you were arguing against this?

Wakko is right not all Baptist believe in once saved, always saved. In fact I believe most don't. The Reformed denominations would agree with you but they are a minority of Christians.

The verse is saying that those who are saved cannot fall away, not the Holy Spirit himself.

[jehoshaphat]

Actually it says that those who leave cannot come back. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

[Wodfamchocsod]

Actually it says that those who leave cannot come back. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

It says it is impossible for people to fall away and restore them to repentance.
And then again, what DO you think of John 10:29? I still haven't got a clear answer from you?

[Eleventh Doctor]

So what are they falling away from?

[Wodfamchocsod]

So what are they falling away from?

From Christ.
But, the verse says it's impossible.