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I remember, in 2004, I was 9 years old. While watching the election, I counted the years until I was going to be able to vote for our President. 2016 would be the year, and I've looked forward to it since then.

Until now.



What is our country coming to?

Thoughts? Discussions? Who you will vote for? Who you will not vote for?

Welllll, at least you get to vote in the last election. @Belle

But, what's not to love about Donald Trump?! He's got the money, the fame and don't forget about the hair... love that hair.

But, for real, I was super excited to vote for the first time, but I don't know if I can. If it's a choice between Trump and Clinton, I don't see myself picking. Hello, Canada, here I come.

Bethany Shepard wrote:But, what's not to love about Donald Trump?! He's got the money, the fame and don't forget about the hair... love that hair.

Tbh, I'm wondering if people have been brainwashed..is it the return of Novacom? O_O

Why do people find him so likable?

OH. MY. LANTA. That's it. Novacom.

So... he loves him some China...

I was really sad that Ben Carson didn't make it. I can see why, but he had the best ethics of all the candidates.

Bethany Shepard wrote: I was really sad that Ben Carson didn't make it. I can see why, but he had the best ethics of all the candidates.

And yet he just now endorsed Trump.

Ben Carson endorsed Trump.

Bethany Shepard wrote:OH. MY. LANTA. That's it. Novacom.

So... he loves him some China...

I was really sad that Ben Carson didn't make it. I can see why, but he had the best ethics of all the candidates.

Same but oh well.

Belle wrote:

Bethany Shepard wrote: I was really sad that Ben Carson didn't make it. I can see why, but he had the best ethics of all the candidates.

And yet he just now endorsed Trump.

Ben Carson endorsed Trump.

Yes. I have now lost all my faith in his good judgement.

This election frankly infuriates me. I mean, how can people look at Donald Trump, who's inspiring his supporters to physically attack protesters, and like him?

*looks accusingly at his Novabox*

Y'know, maybe Trump isn't so bad...

I remember watching one of the early Republican debates and thinking that Trump was the only guy on stage who didn't sound like a politician. He is promising everything that the politicians we have elected up till now can't and haven't given us.

As things continue to get worse both at home and abroad, people will start choosing their leaders out of fear. Thus, we are probably all doomed....


Most people fear ninjas, except for one: I, Ninjahunter

So, the now existing canadates are:

REPUBLICAN:
Ted Cruz
John Kasich
Marco Rubio
Donald Trump

DEMOCRATIC:
Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders

Not many good choices on either side.
My dad always said that if ever Marco Rubio ran, he would be ok. He just needed some maturing. I don't know, what do y'all think? If you had to pick out of this comical group, who would you pick?

I'd go Rubio or Trump.

I was watching (at my gma's house) some speech that Trump was making and he started talking about how he loooooves Evangelicals, and, "Here's my friend pastor so-and-so, come on up here and say something, pastor." So the pastor says stuff like, "Trump is the only hope for America, God bless him," blah blah. And then after the pastor walks off he keeps talking about how he's going to do great things for Evangelicals and then he says, "And I'm gonna work like H*** to help the Evangelicals!" and my sisters and I looked at each other and we cracked up - Seriously: you're trying to get Evangelicals to like you and you're swearing in the same sentence?!?!?

Blitz wrote:I'd go Rubio or Trump.

Why would you go for Trump?

HomeschoolCowgirl wrote:Seriously: you're trying to get Evangelicals to like you and you're swearing in the same sentence?!?!?

Ah, but did they clap? Bet they did.

Exactly, Blondie, well said. Last election, I loved watching the debates with my family. I loved Mitt Romney and learned you can respect and choose a politician even if he's wrong sometimes. He acknowledged we were (and still are) slowly recovering from a recession that's left us astonishing unemployment rates, that Obama hadn't made the economy perfect, and especially hammered that life must be defended. I was so excited that I would one day vote for a candidate like him, be part of the great American legacy of voting and freedom. Now that same candidate makes a video speaking out against the current potential candidate. Unheard of.

This guy... How do you describe this guy? Every word has been used and it all falls short, he's just such a weird case by himself, a special place in Hell for this guy. His own circle with a giant wall surrounding it with, "one door, a great big beautiful door." How can he rally voters by saying he wants to oppress all our peaceful Muslim citizens and send them out? How!? This started as a joke but all these Trump supporters came from nowhere, legions of them, crawling out of their caves and scraping their opinions from where they'd been spawning on the cave floor.

And I mean it when I say I wish, wish, wish I could vote for Hillary, anyone but this evil man, this racist, sexist, religious oppressing monster. But you have to vote for the guy who, even if it's just to preserve his reputation, will be pro life. You have to vote to protect the lives of babies, the most innocent among us. You just can't vote for someone who'll continue to encourage the slaughter. I guess even it means voting for our wonderful knight in shining bronzer. But my gosh, it's one unpleasant duty, not a patriotic one. This is one heckuva letdown.

Except Trump isn't pro-life but more to the point he is a sociopath who will say anything to get elected. I can't believe you are advocating voting for him.

I'm beginning to get genuinely afraid of the people who are advocating for Trump. For the people who are supporting him or endorsing him. Why? Is it really Novacom? Is it the end of Western Civilization as we know it?

My parents and I were talking about it earlier this week, and it doesn't make any sense.

Eleventh Doctor wrote:Except Trump isn't pro-life but more to the point he is a sociopath who will say anything to get elected. I can't believe you are advocating voting for him.

Yes, his convictions aren't. But again, if he'll pass pro-life laws just to satisfy his party then sadly I hafta. I'm a single issue voter. If in decades past there was a guy who was a sociopath but was against slavery, and the other guy had great ideas on economics and so forth but still supported slavery, I'd have to vote for the anti slavery guy. Whether or not it was his actual conviction, so long as he'd pass anti slavery laws even to look good, that's what would have to come first. Don't vote for him in the primaries, of course! Anyone, anyone else. But ultimately, yeah. Blech.

Here, it's even more essential. The victims are the most innocent and helpless among us, and we don't stop at taking away most of their rights. We take them all away, life included. We slaughter them. If we don't protect the innocent, who will? It's against my convictions to vote for this guy but it's also against my convictions to not.

Now granted, the thing is he may decide throw his party aside, abort anyway because he switches around so much. Still, we know for a fact Hillary will encourage the murder children. What other option is there? Vote third party, ie, crumple up your vote and throw it to a shark?

Belle wrote:Why? Is it really Novacom? Is it the end of Western Civilization as we know it?

Well one thing's good at least. We know finally who The Chairman is.

Pound Foolish wrote:But you have to vote for the guy who, even if it's just to preserve his reputation, will be pro life. You have to vote to protect the lives of babies, the most innocent among us.

As Eleventh has said, can it really be said that a vote for Trump is a vote for pro-life policies? Why do you assume that he'll pass pro-life legislation? Is it his track record for honesty and integrity? You admit yourself that there is a possibility that Trump would do an about-face on that issue; if it's so important to you, why do you want to gamble with it like that?

Pound Foolish wrote:Vote third party, ie, crumple up your vote and throw it to a shark?

You have options. You can just not vote for the President and then submit the rest of the ballot for other offices. You can do a write-in. And yes, you can vote third party. I'd rather give my vote to a shark than to an egotistical, bigoted, reckless, dishonest, selfish, spoiled, obnoxious brat who talks about how tough a negotiator he is and then in the same breath refuses to go to a debate because he can't negotiate with a news station over their choice of moderator. And frankly, when everyone thinks like this, that a third-party vote does not and cannot matter, then of course it won't.

Here's the thing about voting third-party—it's true, a third-party candidate doesn't really have a prayer in a system that aggressively asserts its dualistic two-party nature. But there is no question that how people vote, no matter who they voted for, matters to politicians and their advisors. If enough people vote third-party—or even "anyone other than the candidate who won"—that communicates just as powerfully as a landslide victory. If more people didn't want a candidate in office than wanted him or her, then that administration knows to tread lightly and not rock the boat at the risk of inciting riotous fury. (Always assuming that Trump's handlers keep him on a short leash, which is not necessarily a guarantee.) That circumstance can also communicate powerfully in Congress; essentially, they know what they can and cannot get away with under that President.

If you don't want to vote third-party, then that's fine, but don't discount it entirely as a possibility. At this rate, it's not about making sure one candidate wins; it's about making your voice heard, even as you lose, which is just as important (if not more so) than a victory.

Bethany Shepard wrote:So, the now existing canadates are:

REPUBLICAN:
Ted Cruz
John Kasich
Marco Rubio
Donald Trump

DEMOCRATIC:
Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders

Not many good choices on either side.
My dad always said that if ever Marco Rubio ran, he would be ok. He just needed some maturing. I don't know, what do y'all think? If you had to pick out of this comical group, who would you pick?

My vote-that-isn't-actually-a-vote-because-I'm-not-18 lies with Rubio. He's been my favorite ever since Iowa, when I realized Carly Fiorina had no chance whatsoever. He definitely knows his stuff, which I definitely like to see in a candidate (Trump lacks this quality). He's very well-informed on the issues, and he has detailed plans to solve each one (Again, unlike Trump). Of course none of that would matter if I didn't agree with his positions. Luckily, I do.

As for the other Republicans, Trump is a maniac with no idea what he's doing. He's like a giant parasite that feeds off people's anger (Larryboy and the Angry Toupee?). He strikes me as incredibly unstable and untrustworthy, and I would never vote for him, even in a general election.

Cruz... eh, he's alright, I guess. He seems incredibly stubborn to me, and too far right. He wouldn't do well in a general election, and he most certainly wouldn't be able to work well with Congress, seeing as they all hate him. Not to mention I don't like the dishonest campaign tactics his camp has been using on Ben Carson in Iowa and Marco Rubio in Hawaii. I would vote for him if it came down to him and Trump or him and Hillary.

Kasich... I like the guy, I really do. He seems to me the most caring of the candidates. He seems like a very humble man who loves people and his country... However, he doesn't seem to hold very strong Biblical convictions, which is what makes me prefer Rubio over him.

As for the Democrats, Hillary is a pathological liar who would simply continue to drive our country into the ditch, and Bernie is a crazy old man who thinks socialism is a valid form of government. Not to mention they'd both spend far more money than we have.

So there you go, my opinion that has no vote to back it. Well, my parents will probably be swayed by it, I've managed to bring them from being Cruz supporters to Rubio supporters, so it does actually have some effect.

TigerShadow wrote:Why do you assume that he'll pass pro-life legislation? Is it his track record for honesty and integrity? You admit yourself that there is a possibility that Trump would do an about-face on that issue; if it's so important to you, why do you want to gamble with it like that?

There is a strong possibility Trump will have pro-choice legislation. There is a certainty Hillary will.

TigerShadow wrote:You can just not vote for the President and then submit the rest of the ballot for other offices.

And what good will that do?

TigerShadow wrote: You can do a write-in.

Oh? *looks it up* Oh, I could vote with someone who is even more certain not to win. Yay. Who exactly is gambling here?

TigerShadow wrote:If more people didn't want a candidate in office than wanted him or her, then that administration knows to tread lightly and not rock the boat at the risk of inciting riotous fury. (Always assuming that Trump's handlers keep him on a short leash, which is not necessarily a guarantee.) That circumstance can also communicate powerfully in Congress; essentially, they know what they can and cannot get away with under that President.

Well that's admittedly interesting. Do you know of any policies that have or haven't been passed because of this?

However, it's in part due to "picky voters" as the mighty Miss Friendship describes them that Mitt Romney lost. It may well be in part due to picky voters Trump loses. It was a certainty Obama would move to murder babies and he did. It's a certainty Hillary will move to murder babies and she will. Do you really and seriously think she'll regard for what third party voters wanted? Do you seriously think there's any chance she won't fight for the murder of babies?

TigerShadow wrote:If you don't want to vote third-party, then that's fine, but don't discount it entirely as a possibility.

Let's see.

What do two party candidates have?

1. A billion bucks, the minimum

2. Name recognition (Huge. Marketing yourself works the same as marketing anything else.)

3. Media

What do the third party candidates have?

1. Zero

2. Zip

3. Zippidee doo dah.

How many elections have two party candidates won?

All of them

How many elections have third party candidates won?

zero.

Voting for a two party system does somethng. Voting third party does nothng. I fail to see why I should vote third party.