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by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:27 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Eleventh Doctor wrote:So did they die before the fall?
Of course not. Unless God wanted them to...
You still haven't answered my question about death and evolution.
Theistic evolution means God evolution. How can you say that? That means God used death to create the world, when the fall was after Adam??
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:25 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Once Saved always Saved?
Replies: 168
Views: 46365

Re: Once Saved always Saved?

Actually it says that those who leave cannot come back. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, ...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:23 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Eleventh Doctor wrote:I'm not avoiding your question, I'm asking questions to clarify our discussion. Did microorganisms exist in the garden of Eden?
Yeah...God created them.
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:22 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

If something doesn't exist how much more evidence do I need? Can you prove to me that unicorns don't exist? And please don't tell me your only evidence is that no scientist or zoologist have ever written about them. Because the Bible clearly says they exist in Deuteronomy 33:17 "His glory is l...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:18 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

You would have to explain how death didn't occur even if it was a literal six days. There are micro organisms and several species of insects that live less than a day, how did they not die? And plants die all the time even if they are getting sun and water. Actually, no. You would have to explain h...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:56 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

I think that the right interpretation of these verses were probably already written about. I am not an expert on Bible scholarship, I don't see why we should trust so much in our own individual interpretation. I mean what if I were to look at the Bible on my own as my main source and decide that th...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:53 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Once Saved always Saved?
Replies: 168
Views: 46365

Re: Once Saved always Saved?

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repe...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:51 pm
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Where do you get 4,000 years? Also Christ was born close to 2043 years ago, we don't know the specific date, and died 33 years after He was born. I am a Young Earth believer. The Bible says that the Earth is only 6,000 years. In Genesis Chapter 5, there are names listed with the age they were when ...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:29 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Eleventh Doctor wrote:It's part of the natural world, to me that's like asking how did God create everything and put gravity into the mix?
Maybe, have you thought about this? Maybe God created gravity!
I need to go now. I'll be back tomorrow.
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:28 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

So you never talked to anyone about the rapture before reading those verses and deciding that the rapture would occur? Also earlier you suggested I read the Left Behind books, go to a Baptist church, and read about three other books on the end times, why did you do that? The Old Testament was writt...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:20 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Eleventh Doctor wrote:It means to me that God created the universe out of nothing. There's probably also a lot of symbolism and meaning I'm missing. They're not random verses.
So...how do you believe God created the universe and everything in it out of nothing (I believe that too) AND put evolution into the mix as well?
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:19 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

I'm looking at information to help me understand the culture at the time these passages were written. Through that study I can better understand God's word. We don't interpret the Bible in a vacuum after all. You didn't just pick up the Bible one day and interpret it by yourself with no guidance or...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:15 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

They proved a literal point using figurative or symbolic language, that is what makes something figurative or symbolic. If I am trying to say that I went grocery shopping today I could either say "I went grocery shopping today." The literal way. Or I could use more figurative language, fo...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:11 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

Eleventh Doctor wrote:Yes, lack of proof about the rapture occurring is my main reason for not believing it will happen.
What do you mean by "lack or proof?" Are you looking for sources outside of Gods Word?
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:08 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

We're still arguing the meanings of literal, figurative, and symbolic because you still don't understand their meaning. We can believe the Bible in it's entirety without taking every word literally. I am not taking away or adding to any part of the Bible. I am interpreting it in a way that disagree...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:06 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

The whole point of this debate is that Eleventh does believe in Genesis; he just doesn't believe that it should be interpreted entirely literally the way you do, and you feel the need to dispute his interpretation. It's worth noting that a day to God is not necessarily like a day to us; He did not ...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:59 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

Crux means the main point. The main point is that you think you are interpreting the verses correctly, well so do I. This is as far as we can get on our own limited knowledge, should we not look to other sources to lend support to our respective sides? I look to the lack of support for your interpr...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:58 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: Creationism or Evolutionism.
Replies: 275
Views: 71567

Re: Creationism or Evolutionism.

Saying they rule the night is a figurative way of saying they were put there for a purpose. When figurative language is used it means the passage is not literal. When I say the Bible is not literal all I mean is that there are passages that use figurative or symbolic language. No, I'm not. I'm goin...
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:52 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

TigerShadow wrote:What "correctly" is is part of the crux of this debate.
What does crux mean?
by Wodfamchocsod
Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: The Chapel
Topic: The Rapture..
Replies: 173
Views: 43752

Re: The Rapture..

I'm sorry if I sounded arrogant. Forgive me.
I still think that it really doesn't matter about books men wrote. It's what God wrote, and we should interpret Thessalonians 4:17 correctly.